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Gary Hart....

 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-06
Time: 21:16:19
Remember him?? the fella who perched his land
rover and trailer (carrying a renault) on the
east coast main line, then the newcastle to
london express came along and crashed into it
before hitting a freight liner killing 10 and
injuring dozens more...

now, i dont like this fella at all, he says
he'd like to clear his name, i think he's
wrong for that, accident or neglect he was
driving the land rover, the buck stops with
him.... he did it..

but, i'm not convinced about the falling
asleep while driving version..

he'd have crossed the rumble strips on the
outer marker of the hard shoulder, if he was
asleep this should have woke him up,
especially in a tinny old land rat, but so
the story goes he was too groggy to react
properly....

yet he was alert enough to keep a top heavy
land rover and trailer upright while doing
40-50 mph down a grass embankment through
shrubs and small trees at an angle, even the
renault was still perched on the trailer...

having had quite a lot of experience with
land rovers and towing thats no mean feat and
not what i'd expect for someone who took so
long to wake up..

though it does puzzle me why he didn't put it
in lower cog and bulldoze his way back off
the line...
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
xxxpoppyxxx
Status: Validator
Date: 2008-10-06
Time: 21:21:09
Cant say i have to be honest den.

Only came into your thread to say good
evening den,hope you are well and your
lovely girlfriend damsel is .


Im off to bed im so wrecked.Enjoy your
evening
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-06
Time: 21:22:58
hey pops...

we're fine thanks darlin', hope you are
too...

shattered pops... aaaw...
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tim80
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 16:28:17
Renault???

Wasn't it a VW Passat estate?
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_chi
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 16:34:12
Where's a good 'ole' Humvee when ya need it?
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 21:53:40
no tim it was a renault 21 savannah...
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 22:22:04
i remember him,puzzled me too how he ended up
on the tracks.......
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 22:34:10
yes, he'd been chatting to her on line and on
the phone til' the small hours, about 5 hours
in total, so when he set off its thought he'd
had about 2-3 hours sleep, this was why the
prosecution argued that he'd fallen asleep..

thats fair enough up to that point, but as he
hit the rumble strips he'd have veered right
not left, so to go left must have meant that
he over-steered right, then over steered left
to compensate, yet with all that happening
and then the drop down the embankment the
land rover, trailer and car all remained
intact until the train walloped it.. that
seems a tall order to me..
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 22:43:39
so why would he want to conciously park his
land rover on the train tracks?
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 22:48:42
ok ive killed the thread soz Den
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 22:49:03
well, i have a theory about him not moving
the land rover strangely which i'll rattle on
about in a tic....

2-3 minutes at the most, he fumbled for his
mobile, got out and ran to the verge dailing
999, he had enough time to say this...

Gary Hart: Hello.

Operator: Hello. You're through to the
police.

Gary Hart: Hello, er, I've had an accident on
the M62, I've gone off the road and I'm on,
gone, an embankment, I'm on a railway line.

Operator: Oh right, and the vehicle's
blocking, still on the railway line.

Gary Hart: Yeah the veh, the vehicle's on the
railway line, yeah.

Operator: Right, okay then, whereabouts on
the M62, which carriageway were you
travelling on?

Gary Hart: I was travelling er, westbound.

Operator: Westbound. Where have you gone from
and to?

Gary Hart: Oh, er, I'm, I'm just, I think I'm
near the A1.

Operator: You're near the A1 junction?

Gary Hart: Yeah, the A1 junction.

Operator: Right, how far away, do you know?

Gary Hart: Er, no, I wasn't far from the M1,
it's just where the A1, just where the, the
railway line.

Operator: Right, okay, it's just that I'm
going to need a better location than that,
you're through to North Yorkshire Police
here.

Gary Hart: But there's a train coming.

Operator: Oh my God. [Sound of train going
past]

Gary Hart: F***ing hell, f***ing hell.


then the train came..

i'm going to try explain my theory next...
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 22:54:36
well i didnt like to say....
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 22:56:00
come on Den,i enjoy your theorys
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:00:36
nah because he could have just drove off the
tracks in the time he got out of the veichle
ran up the grass verge fumbled for his phone
and rang the emergency services
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
suze
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:00:40
den i know the real reason for the incident

hed stopped off at a motorway services and
met a lovely young girl, who fancied him

she slipped a rohypnol in his coffee and the
next thing he remembered was waking up on the
railway lines

he still cant work out how his calvin kleins
came to be inside out when he came round!
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:04:47
i think it was an accident tinz... heres
why..

i cant believe he didn't try to back up, so i
reckon he tried but the thing was stuck..

land rovers have three setting for their gear
box, 2 wheel drive, 4 wheel drive and 4 wheel
drive low ratio, in low ratio you'd bulldoze
a house down..

but, most land rovers are fitted with free
wheeling front hubs, these in effect
disconnect the front wheels from the half
shafts for fuel and tyre economy, you have to
manually turn them on and off at the wheel,
imagine it as two big cogs that lock into
place and vise versa..

he probably had these set for two wheel drive
since he wasn't planning on going off road,
strangely with land rovers if your towing its
always best in two wheel drive..

if the left one wasn't fully disengaged and
the vibration of driving engaged it he'd have
had a thud from the front left hand wheel a
bit like running over a brick, gary hart did
say several times he thought he'd run over
something..

he'd have took his foot off the accelerator
by instinct and because the right front wheel
is turning freely (free wheeling hub
disengaged) and the left now engaged and
connected with the half shaft this would have
caused instant drag to the left, it may even
have locked to front left wheel for a second
or two..

and, because the hubs were not faulty just
set wrong the accident investigators may not
have detected it because these would have
been in a thousand pieces since the train
smashed the entire front off the landrover..

if that made any sense...
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:08:25
so he slept thru all of this???
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:09:52
would he have been to blame for them being
set wrong then?? or is there a chance he
might not of known?
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:16:13
that would depend on the type of hubs tinz,
they're pretty old fashioned and haven't
changed a whole lot since they where first
made in 1948..

if ^^ thats what happened, the hubs could
have been worn, he may have accidentally set
them wrong or a spring could have rusted
making them not lock into place properly...
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:19:11
so it wouldnt have enabled him to drive off
the tracks?? but surley his mot would have
picked up on this?
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:25:58
if there was a fault with the front hubs it
wouldn't be noticed on his mot for two
reasons, they'd have been set properly, if
you set off with one switched on and one
switched off you'd know somethings up
straight away..

second, most mechanics wouldn't have a clue
with free wheeling front hubs, its only
something you'd see on large four by fours..
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
tinzel501
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:27:33
hmmmmmmm
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-08
Time: 23:30:36
oh and no, if he'd set them for 2 wheel drive
it would only be a two wheel drive even if he
set the gear box to 4 and if my theory is
right he may well have smashed his transfer
box (another bit of gear box), half shaft or
diff when the left hand hub engaged at higher
speeds.....
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Re: Gary Hart....
 
just_den
Date: 2008-10-09
Time: 10:38:24
well yeah i'd buy that to a point urban, but
he was clear thinking enough to find his
phone (he mentioned in a statement he
couldn't at first find his phone) and call
the emergency services..

i'm pretty sure if it had been me i'd have
tried to back off the track, but i reckon he
would have too..
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